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[16:02] stevenpemberton: Hi
[16:02] stevenpemberton: there was going to be an announcement from you this spring
[16:02] stevenpemberton: any news?
[16:02] ksklander: hey Steven
[16:03] ksklander: not really , the wheels are turning slowly
[16:03] ksklander: :)
[16:03] stevenpemberton: But it's still in the pipeline?
[16:03] ksklander: it turns out the complete rollout is 3 years in the future
[16:03] ksklander: yes
[16:03] stevenpemberton: 3 years?
[16:03] ksklander: we missed the sony ericsson deadline
[16:04] ksklander: (being preinstalled in all sony ericcsson handsets of the 902 platform (in august 2009))
[16:04] ksklander: whuich should have been our
[16:04] ksklander: initial preinstall platform
[16:04] ksklander: yes the complete rollout
[16:04] ksklander: so now the first handsets that will come preinstalled will be 1001 (february 2010)
[16:04] ksklander: theres a 6 month pre-handset launch
[16:05] ksklander: where the codebase is locked
[16:05] stevenpemberton: ok
[16:05] ksklander: its a big machinery :)
[16:05] stevenpemberton: well, keep me informed....
[16:05] ksklander: look at some screenshots from a nokia:
[16:05] ksklander: http://picoforms.com/picowidgetsolution/screenshots
[16:06] ksklander: there are a CXX convention in september
[16:06] ksklander: called NGT summut
[16:06] stevenpemberton: Ooh! Lovely
[16:06] ksklander: (next generation telecom)
[16:06] ksklander: where the european handset makers
[16:06] ksklander: senior management is coming together
[16:06] ksklander: and we have been ask to present
[16:07] ksklander: so i expect that we will match the press release
[16:07] ksklander: with that event
[16:07] stevenpemberton: In September
[16:07] stevenpemberton: OK
[16:07] stevenpemberton: So XForms is the widget solution on the architecture?
[16:07] ksklander: yes
[16:07] ksklander: its all xhtml+css+xforms
[16:07] stevenpemberton: Fantastic
[16:07] ksklander: albeit we have some extra css proeprties
[16:08] ksklander: but its completly legal
[16:08] ksklander: still
[16:08] ksklander: (like gradient, border-raidus, transitions)
[16:08] ksklander: we have been keeping very true
[16:08] stevenpemberton: Time for me to buy a Sony-Ericcson again :-)
[16:08] ksklander: to the xforms spec.
[16:08] ksklander: well you can wait for 1001
[16:08] ksklander: and has to be a vodafone
[16:08] ksklander: one
[16:08] stevenpemberton: ah
[16:08] ksklander: its not all sony ericsoon
[16:08] stevenpemberton: shame
[16:08] ksklander: only vodafone
[16:08] stevenpemberton: OK
[16:08] ksklander: for now :)
[16:09] ksklander: we have added json though
[16:09] ksklander: so we read json
[16:09] ksklander: but run xpath and such
[16:09] ksklander: on the json tree
[16:09] ksklander: so it behaves like xml in the xpath datamodel
[16:09] ksklander: but is read as json
[16:09] ksklander: it was a hard requirement
[16:09] ksklander: so it was good to see
[16:09] stevenpemberton: Great
[16:09] ksklander: its actually on the menyu
[16:09] stevenpemberton: just as it should be
[16:09] ksklander: yesterday :)
[16:10] ksklander: but the form itself
[16:10] ksklander: does not know if its json or xml it has read
[16:10] ksklander: its transparent
[16:11] ksklander: but the best part is its 100% xforms 1.05
[16:11] ksklander: (somewhere between 1.0 and 1.1 :) )
[16:11] stevenpemberton: :-)
[16:12] stevenpemberton: Sounds great
[16:12] ksklander: the ui designers making widgets
[16:12] ksklander: are really happy
[16:12] ksklander: to not have to use javascript by the way :)
[16:12] ksklander: they like that if things doesnt work its not their fault :)
[16:13] ksklander: we did another interresting thing
[16:13] ksklander: they had an existing
[16:13] stevenpemberton: I can imagine
[16:13] stevenpemberton: And js is hell to debug
[16:13] ksklander: mobilecare solution
[16:13] ksklander: for nokia s60
[16:13] ksklander: which is running with ajax and javascript
[16:13] ksklander: which we *auto* convert
[16:13] ksklander: to our xhtml+css+xforms
[16:14] ksklander: by parsing the javascript and run some analysis
[16:14] ksklander: and produce xforms from it
[16:14] ksklander: (albeit we had to add some handlers)
[16:14] ksklander: but besides from that
[16:14] ksklander: it turned out
[16:14] ksklander: that we could automatic convert
[16:14] ksklander: around 80%
[16:14] ksklander: of an existing javascript solution
[16:14] ksklander: and more over
[16:15] stevenpemberton: blimey!
[16:15] stevenpemberton: Amazing
[16:15] ksklander: its less than 25% of the original size
[16:15] ksklander: it is a quite compelling argument
[16:15] stevenpemberton: amd does your new system run on s60 as well?
[16:15] ksklander: yes
[16:15] ksklander: it runs across the board
[16:15] stevenpemberton: Great
[16:15] ksklander: all mobile phones :)
[16:15] ksklander: (by all i mean midp 2.0, windows mobile, android and iphone)
[16:16] ksklander: and by all midp 2.0 i mean around 1550 handsets
[16:16] ksklander: which covers 99% of the market
[16:16] ksklander: so its very good coverage
[16:17] ksklander: we are thinking of writing a case story on converting javascript/ajax to declartive
[16:17] ksklander: automaticly
[16:17] ksklander: but we can not use the mobile-car
[16:17] ksklander: as example
[16:17] ksklander: so we are looking for a good candidate project
[16:17] stevenpemberton: Sounds like a grat story
[16:18] stevenpemberton: great
[16:18] ksklander: they were quite happy they did not have to convert "version 1" to the widget language
[16:18] ksklander: manually
[16:19] stevenpemberton: I bet they were
[16:19] ksklander: the funny part is (i am trying to get it as a statement from Nuance)
[16:19] ksklander: that they considered
[16:19] ksklander: the generated code
[16:19] ksklander: much more easy to deal with
[16:19] ksklander: than their original javascript
[16:20] ksklander: so as a declarative application language
[16:20] ksklander: for not-so dataintensive applicatins xforms has proven to work very well :)
[16:20] ksklander: (it probably also works for dataintensive but the mobile apps are not dataintensive)
[16:27] ksklander: i have a piece of information about usage of xforms (unrelated to picoforms)
[16:27] ksklander: theres a standard for clinical data-interchange called CDISC
[16:27] ksklander: which has been selected by the FDA as the way to exchange clinicial data
[16:27] ksklander: they have a forms UI in this standard
[16:28] ksklander: which a majority of the community wants to 
[16:28] ksklander: change to xforms
[16:28] ksklander: (for running the clinical data-sample forms)
[18:59] stevenpemberton: that's great news!
[19:00] ksklander: the cdisc ?
[19:00] ksklander: yes
[19:00] ksklander: it soudns interresting
[19:00] ksklander: i know one of the people
[19:00] ksklander: working in the owkring group
[19:00] ksklander: (cdisc)
[19:00] ksklander: he is very keen on xforms
[19:00] ksklander: he has been making cdisc-solutions
[19:00] ksklander: using off-the-shelf
[19:00] ksklander: xforms processor
[19:00] ksklander: (s)
[19:00] ksklander: multiple
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